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Matrixyl 3000 is discussed as a potential topical treatment for hair growth, but concerns are raised about excess collagen production being a consequence of hair loss. The conversation suggests that androgen-induced miniaturization leads to hair follicle death and skin fibrosis.

The conversation discusses whether finasteride's reduction of DHT and increase in scalp testosterone contribute to hair follicle miniaturization. Some participants argue testosterone does not cause miniaturization, while others suggest that even with reduced DHT, other androgens like testosterone may still contribute to hair loss.

PP405 may encourage earlier hair growth and slightly increase visible hair count but does not reverse hair follicle miniaturization in male pattern baldness. It does not address damage to the dermal papilla or broken Wnt signaling.

SCUBE3 and GT20029 are potential treatments for hair loss, with SCUBE3 stimulating hair growth and GT20029 protecting against DHT. A combined approach using SCUBE3, finasteride or dutasteride, and later GT20029 could provide a comprehensive treatment for androgenetic alopecia.

The discussion revolves around the need for future oral DHT blockers for hair loss treatment that don't have the side effects of current options like Finasteride and Dutasteride. One user suggests that the future of hair loss treatment will likely be topical anti-androgens, as they can target hair follicles without affecting the entire system.