Hair loss was triggered by a testosterone and Masteron cycle, causing scalp tension and shedding. Topical finasteride, RU58841, and oral minoxidil were used to stop shedding and improve scalp condition.
A 23-year-old male has been using finasteride and topical minoxidil for 14 months with slight improvement, but recent shedding led him to switch to a new minoxidil formulation without success. He is considering using topical RU58841 or dutasteride to better address scalp DHT, as his bloodwork shows high total testosterone and mid-range DHT levels.
Elevated PGD2 levels in bald scalptissue may contribute to hair loss, and treatments like castor oil, finasteride, and minoxidil are discussed as potential solutions. Some users explore alternatives like oral castor oil and cetirizine for those who cannot use finasteride.
The conversation discusses whether finasteride's reduction of DHT and increase in scalptestosterone contribute to hair follicle miniaturization. Some participants argue testosterone does not cause miniaturization, while others suggest that even with reduced DHT, other androgens like testosterone may still contribute to hair loss.
Fluridil degrades androgen receptors, which are prevalent in the scalp and other tissues. People with androgenetic alopecia (AGA) may have higher expression of these receptors and 5AR activity in affected scalp areas.
The user plans to switch from dutasteride back to finasteride due to worsening hair loss, possibly due to increased scalptestosterone. Others report mixed results with both treatments, showing individual variability.
Using dutasteride or finasteride can increase free testosterone, which may convert to estradiol, potentially causing side effects like increased estrogen levels. Individual responses vary, and some users report changes in cholesterol, hair texture, and side effects like gyno or increased sex drive.
The conversation is about the role of testosterone in hair loss and the effectiveness of different treatments. The conclusion is that DHT is the main culprit for hair loss, and finasteride has been proven to work long-term in maintaining and regrowing hair. Testosterone may have a minor effect, but it is not the primary cause of hair loss.
Subcutaneous scalp fat may be linked to hair loss, with theories suggesting that fat loss can lead to reduced blood flow and increased DHT activity, contributing to hair loss. Treatments discussed include PRP/PRF injections and fat transfer to improve scalp thickness and blood flow.
Creatine may increase scalp DHT without affecting serum DHT, potentially speeding up male pattern baldness (MPB) for those genetically prone. Treatments mentioned include Minoxidil, finasteride, and RU58841.
The conversation discusses methods to further reduce DHT in the scalp for hair loss treatment, with users suggesting various approaches like using dutasteride, minoxidil, tretinoin, and natural supplements like pumpkin seed oil. Some users also mention using topical applications and scalp massages to enhance the effectiveness of these treatments.
Dutasteride takes 1-3 months to affect scalp DHT levels, not just a week. The prostate absorbs Dutasteride faster than the scalp due to different vascular networks and enzyme densities.
Beard hair grown with minoxidil can become permanent because it is not sensitive to DHT, unlike scalp hair, which requires ongoing minoxidil use even with DHT blockers like finasteride or dutasteride. Dutasteride reduces scalp DHT significantly but not completely, which may explain why scalp hair still needs minoxidil for maintenance.
Testosterone within the normal range does not significantly contribute to male pattern baldness (MPB); DHT is the main factor that can be controlled. Genetics play a crucial role in hair loss, and treatments like finasteride and dutasteride, which block DHT, can help despite potentially raising testosterone levels.
The conversation humorously discusses hair loss treatments, mentioning scalp massage, minoxidil, and the ineffectiveness of devices like the "Gr0wBand." It highlights the role of androgens in hair loss and suggests that increased blood flow from massage may not significantly impact hair growth.
A 20-year-old reports worsening hair loss despite using dutasteride and minoxidil, and considers a hair transplant. Users suggest continuing treatments, trying microneedling, ketoconazole shampoo, switching to finasteride, or adding tretinoin.
A 25 year old male who has been using finasteride and dutasteride for two years to treat his hair loss, with no success. Other treatments such as oral minoxidil, topical anti-androgens, RU58841, latanoprost, topical estrogen, CB 03 01, microneedling, keto 2% shampoo, vitamin D, Omega 3, B vitamins and probiotics were discussed.
After switching from finasteride to dutasteride, the user experienced a 25% increase in total testosterone and a 150% increase in free testosterone, with side effects like brain fog and nipple tingling. The user plans to consult a lab for accuracy and adjust the dutasteride dosage to manage side effects.
Androgenic alopecia (AGA) might have evolved to reduce prostate cancer risk by increasing UV exposure to the scalp, but this theory is debated. Treatments like minoxidil and finasteride are used for AGA, though the exact causes and evolutionary reasons for hair loss are unclear.
Scalp tension from the occipitalis muscle is theorized to contribute to hair loss, but most believe DHT and genetics are the main causes. Treatments like finasteride and minoxidil are considered more effective than addressing scalp tension.
Topical finasteride can effectively reduce scalp DHT by targeting local enzymes, despite less systemic impact compared to oral forms. Combining oral dutasteride with topical finasteride and minoxidil may enhance hair loss prevention, though evidence of its effectiveness is limited.
Avoid burning or scarring the scalp for hair growth; instead, use treatments like finasteride, minoxidil, or consider a hair transplant. Microneedling should be done carefully, and extreme methods can cause harm.
DHT promotes beard growth but causes scalp hair loss due to inflammation and fibrosis. Treatments like finasteride and minoxidil help with hormonal signals and blood flow but don't address underlying inflammation.
Androgenetic alopecia is affected by scalp DHT levels, not sensitivity, with treatments like finasteride and dutasteride aiming to optimize these levels. Personalized DHT management is crucial for effective hair growth.
Body hair is more resilient than scalp hair due to different gene expressions and DHT sensitivity. Treatments like minoxidil and finasteride are used for hair loss, but they have varying effects on body and scalp hair.
Epristeride is a selective 5 alpha reductase type 2 inhibitor that may reduce scalp DHT similarly to finasteride, with potentially fewer side effects. It is suggested that combining epristeride with finasteride or dutasteride could enhance hair loss treatment effectiveness.
Stopping finasteride increased sex drive and improved mood but caused hair shedding and scalp irritation. Users discussed balancing hair preservation with side effects, considering alternatives like topical finasteride and minoxidil.