Intercytex Phase II hair multiplication COMPLETED trial results
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Intercytex, the UK-based biotechnology company and hair multiplication darlings of the moment, have released the final results from their Phase II trials for their flagship hair product, ICX-TRC.
The last results were in September, leaving us with extremely promising results and the impression that they were ironing out the kinks.
They appear to have found more consistency this time around, but are oddly backing out of further development and commercial production, saying only that they’ve left the option open for a hair transplant specialist company to swoop in and take over, with Bosley getting first crack.
Hot off the press:
We have now completed the treatment phase of our Phase II study, being conducted by Dr Bessam Farjo in Manchester, to optimise the delivery of the DP cells.
In this study, hair counts are obtained by shaving and photographing a small section of scalp, injecting it and then applying a specialised image analysis system to provide a total hair count. All 19 subjects in the trial have now been treated using a range of injection and scalp pre-stimulation techniques; the first 6 subjects were injected without stimulation of the scalp. In the remaining 13 the resident hair producing (epithelial) cells were stimulated at the time of delivery of the DP cells.
11 subjects have now passed the 24-week time point since treatment and specialised image analysis at this time point showed:
• Of the group of 6 patients without stimulation of the scalp, 3 had an increased hair count and
two had a reduced hair count; one has been lost to follow-up.• Of the 5 subjects with pre-treatment scalp stimulation, all had increased hair count at 12 weeks and the 3 who were evaluable at 24 weeks all had an increased hair count at that time point.
These data are consistent with the earlier data reported last September and the hypothesis that new hair production is improved by pre-stimulation of the scalp, leading to an interaction between the injected cells and the resident hair producing cells.
24 week data on all subjects in the trial will be available in September 2008 and at the end of the trial photographic data will be analysed from a much larger area of treated scalp on all subjects at 48 weeks.
ICX-TRC overcomes one of the principal drawbacks of conventional transplants which is that the outcome is limited by the amount of donor hair available. By using the Intercytex cell therapy technique almost limitless hair regeneration is possible in a less invasive procedure. Furthermore, treatment can commence early on in the hair loss process with retreatment available in subsequent years. The barrier to commercial success for ICX-TRC is relatively low, being the ability to increase hair count in transplanted or thinning areas.
We believe the continued development of ICX-TRC would best be carried out in partnership with a specialist in the aesthetics field. We do not intend to finance the continuation of clinical and commercial development of ICX-TRC beyond the current Phase II trial and shall seek to sign a partner when we have the complete data package from this trial. Intercytex has granted Bosley, the largest chain of hair transplant clinics in the US, an option to negotiate distribution rights to the product.
Intellectual Property
We have split our cell delivery patent application into three separate applications in the US reflecting additional techniques that are being developed. We have also filed a patent application relating to our
observation that epidermal stimulation pre-treatment appears to enhance hair follicle formation.Two other previously filed patent applications relating to the method of culturing the dermal papilla cells have been published and are undergoing international examination.
What does this mean?
- With pre-stimulation, all subjects grew hair.
- No hair counts were disclosed, which is questionable.
- Intercytex is waiting until September of this year for the final follow-up.
- They are ceasing further testing and looking to license the technology to a hair transplant company.
The big question now is their motivation for stopping further trials and cashing out. We’re left with some ambivalent phrasing: they are ceasing “clinical and commercial development” and cutting in-company financing, but are seeking a very large partner to carry out “distribution”.
It could be a sign of failure: that the technology was not successful enough to turn the profits they had hoped for without further trials, and are rats trying to sell the proverbial ship before it goes under. On the other hand, it may be that no further trials are genuinely necessary, and armed with the successful data, they are looking to pass the baton to someone with the infrastructure to carry out the procedures.
Unless a partnership forms in the meantime, we’ll have to wait until September to see how successful ICX-TRC has been.
Previously: Intercytex phase II hair multiplication trial update
Read more about Intercytex and Hair Multiplication on the Tressless Wiki
[...] Note: there are new results in this trial. See the March ‘08 Intercytex update here [...]
Don’t hold your breath when Bosley Reps are involved. The whole system was a quick investment scam and nothing Bosley does or will do reputable. I knew that this would fail due to the relationship with Bosely. You are best to wait for Follica and other real scientist where a lay person with skin wounds can regrow hair without special formulas. Follica’s technigue will just enhance the delivery. Bosley reps have again shown futile neglect for real science. The five year mark should be kept silient to avoid overstatign ones standing and forecast. Science will catch up but not with these weasels.
looks like they armed with everything they need, After all why say things positive data and “ICX-TRC overcomes one of the principal drawbacks of conventional transplants which is that the outcome is limited by the amount of donor hair available. By using the Intercytex cell therapy technique almost limitless hair regeneration is possible in a less invasive procedure. Furthermore, treatment can commence early on in the hair loss process with retreatment available in subsequent years. The barrier to commercial success for ICX-TRC is relatively low, being the ability to increase hair count in transplanted or thinning areas”
and then say “Low market risk of TRC”
and then contradict the above and dump the product, does not make sense does it ????? They also said they commercialising right now so why carry out commerial work if there is nothing to commercialise ???
we already had an inkling that they would launch this product after phase 2 as they have done with vavelta and r looking to do with ICX-SKN. They have a sellable product and feel there is no need to go to phase III.
yes all this speculation and mystery is to keep us intrigued and interested, but realy lets get to the point that we all are looking for, when can we expect this product to launch to the public and moreover when will it be available to the us market. We all know the technology works, infact its not just ICX-TRC that has had sucess with hair clonin, there have been major breakthroughs all around the world. Stop with the games and get us what we need.
This terrible news for mes. My hair falls out every days and soon nothing but shiny pink patch. Can a some smart person make some science hair growth advance so this Greek man can become handsomes again?
This is what I believe.
I believe the hair multiplication works and can regrow as much hair as you want, but I think the quality of the hair is very poor and probably grows in all diferent directions. It would seem to me that if the quality of the hair is really good and it grows the same as your original hair, then they would have mentioned this and would not be looking to unload this technology on to someone like Bosley. Furthermore, I believe the problem with the quality of the hair may be something that is not easily fixed if it can be fixed at all. Afterall there has to be a reason why there being so vague as to the results. I mean no mention of quality, hair count, or if the hair is DHT resistant has ever been throughly disclosed.
I am agree with Chris!
Why don’t they show us only 1 picture from ICX-TRC??
this is not meant to offend anyone .. the fact that you want to close your ears to …is….. it does not work…
consider this.. how many multi billionaires are there in the entire world ?..do you not think for one moment that one person with that kind of money would not pay to have his or hair
regrown if it were possible.!! we have walked on the moon. and computer science, and yet theres no cure for baldness except. the word itself ..EXCEPT the fact that you are bald, and move forward.
life is short and not enough time to worry over hair,…i am bald and not happy.but trying to cope with it the human way……………………..hope.
I have news for you j.dill, just because you feel like that train of logic works, doesn’t make it true. I’m a scientist who works on novel cancer treatments and I know first hand that even though there are billionaires who still die from that disease, it doesn’t mean that the new treatments that we’re working on are useless and worth ignoring. Quite the opposite, there are incredible things in the pipeline that are really worth holding out hope for, and honestly if I got cancer today I would do just that. Similarly with hair loss, treatments such as cell therapy are going to be just as real as sequencing the human genome is now – it’s not about IF, just WHEN. Obviously don’t put your life on hold for it, but it’s ok to believe beyond any doubt now that within the next 20 years and likely much less, this problem will be readily solvable. The only thing that irritates me about it is that it’s not nearly as tough as some of the other problems life scientists work on – however most academic labs won’t touch it due to the bad shadow it casts on the reputation of those involved. Which is funny considering how many people suffer from it, and how much money is waiting for a really great treatment. Nevertheless, money tends to motivate , and for every intercytex there will be other groups around the world who you won’t know about that are going at this problem from many similar and diverse directions. Just a decade or two ago we really were far away from being about to solve problems like this, but the tools we have now make it amazingly unlikely that we won’t.
people… this method has to work… i have now been waiting for this for wery long time…
In year 1998— was my dream clone hair… and i think they have been working for long time with hair cloning to not create SOMETHING fo curing hair loss…
I thrust in this guys… and its our only hope…
So please, dont be negativ…
It seems to me like you only ever get pessimists posting on sites like this, for some reason they become so gutted by their hair loss that they protect themselves by being so negative about any up coming treatments so’s not to get their hopes up and be disappointed.
will there ever be treatment for this baldness, except discussing that there would be hope someday.
I think they filed here. Only 66 more hairs?, they can get you 2000 hairs in one session in today´s hair transplants. The only serious people these days are follica. Our best shot is that the army of US (which created recenly an agency for regnerating skin in veterans injured) can take this a step forward and then take it to the market
I think they failed here. Only 66 more hairs?, they can get you 2000 hairs in one session in today´s hair transplants. The only serious people these days are follica. Our best shot is that the army of US (which created recenly an agency for regnerating skin in veterans injured) can take this a step forward and then take it to the market
im pretty sure they are just trying to cash out because there are more lucrative deals out there. after all, they just got that military contract for $85 million. its time for them to pass on phase three clinicals to others and then get fda approval, no need for them to sit on the golden egg when they have other things going on. they would never take this thing all the way through, its obvious. they never had the infrastructure to do this themselves.
i am very disappointed about this report. if this was successful in any meaningful way there would be pictures, hair counts, you name it and there is no way they would be trying to sell out to anyone else. they would develop their own infrastructure to distribute and market HM. they would have plenty of time to do this while going through phase III trails and during the time they would need to develop the procedures to where they were affordable to a mass market. if this worked, it would be one of the surest bets in history. do you think they just said ” this is going to make billions of dollars, but we just dont feel like messing with it, so we’re going to sell it to someone else and let them make all the money on our hard work and investment”, i dont think so. i hope im wrong.
I was hoping to see more documented evidence of the details of the study. Although I know there are some concerns with releasing details of the procedures, the principles of the research project could be and should be announced so all hair restoration centers have a more accurate answer for their patients when they are planning for long term planning for the treatment of individual patients.
Dr. Parsa Mohebi
Medical Director
US Hair Restoration – A LA hair transplant center
http://www.ushairrestoration.com
I am convinced hair cloning is possible and Intercytex and other organizations are doing it right now. However, it is very suspect why Intercytex is not showing pictures, there is definitely some kind of card gaming going on. This is a multi, multi billion dollar industry we are talking about here gentlemen!
I believe what Intercytex is now working on is a way to prevent cloned hair from regenerating forever. They are intentionally developing hair cells that will only last for, say 180 to 365 days and then die out. The reason for this to ensure you continually need reinjection’s; a monthly/yearly reoccurring cost, no different from Rogaine or Propecia, just a hell of lot better. The question is how much it will cost and how much are you willing to pay.
Think about it, we NEVER really cure ANYTHING; more money is made treating symptoms….
Guys guys… Why they will sell it to Bosley is simple… Intercytex is not a Hair transplant company. They are scients, who knows how to split the cell from each other, transplant physician can not do that.
Can we please read the different.
I believe on this product guys… just wait until september… i can not guaranty them any god results… but i guaranty them that they got something…
Will see what they got in september.
Untill then guys.. please, write positiv…who i am, trust me, im one of them…:)
Why would they sell or partner to Bosely? Simple, they do not have enough money to launch and market this product worldwide. Is Intercynex going to build a clinics across America/Europe/Asia so people can have the procedure? It is kind of like saying a big food company should go build a bunch of supermarkets to sell their products in. They are two competly different business. Bosely= Marketing, Distribution, Customer Service and Intercynex= company that focues on innovative medicine/manufactuering or selling the use for royality payments.
If you guys read their financial statements from 2006 they state in their that Bosley had been granted an option for rights to distribution…meaning that if/when ever it came to market, Bosley would always have had a major role in distribution anyways, so this announcement doesnt change anything.
The 2 things which are worrying are their lack of results and that theyre stopping development. Lack of results I suppose I can overlook for now, simply because by September this year or March next year we will know for sure what is going on. But that they’re stopping development is of course not encouraging. Its possible they just don’t have the resources to do the large-scale trials in Phase 3 and to work out the kinks in their system, such as direction of growth, etc. Which would be nice, but I think I am a bit too pessimistic for that.
I think the most likely scenario is that they’ve had a bit of success with it, but not enough for them to keep going with it so they will be trying to pass it on for someone else to try and make workable.
There’s others out there though so don’t lose hope!
Ive been waiting for a cure since the 80’s and have been hearing 5 more years ..10 more years for almost 30 years ..so ive resigned to the fact that I will die a balding man ..Maybe my son will have a chance for a full head of hair since hes only 8 yrs old and has the bald gene from both of his grandfathers ..I’d say they will have a cure when he’s about 25 so just be thankful for being healthy and alive cause they wont ever find a cure
I believe what Intercytex is now working on is a way to prevent cloned hair from regenerating forever. They are intentionally developing hair cells that will only last for, say 180 to 365 days and then die out. The reason for this to ensure you continually need reinjection’s; a monthly/yearly reoccurring cost, no different from Rogaine or Propecia, just a hell of lot better. The question is how much it will cost and how much are you willing to pay.
Think about it, we NEVER really cure ANYTHING; more money is made treating symptoms
yeah, the succint press release seems suspicious. perhaps the issue is that the hair grows in all sorts of directions. To some extent, transplanted hair would still be necessary, and if this is the case, most of the personnel trained to place the hair and the cloned cells in the correct direction is under Bosley’s payroll. but it seems that the time is coming!!! LOST SOUL, I disagree with you, free market and fierce competition will guarantee better and improved techniques developed by rival firms, not now but in the future. it sounds unreasonable to expect firms developing partially successful treatments just for the sake of keeping the clientele.
Just thought I’d correct j.dill & point out that yes you are right in saying that there is no cure for baldness but that you are wrong in saying that man has walked on the moon.Most people know it was a hoax and that it is impossible – hence the reason nobody has “returned” to the moon in 36 years !
All balding men are doomed to be bald, and im one of them. Im only 23 years old ;( why did god give me this curse? I dont want to be ugly, I will lose my good looks as soon as i go bald. I really cant take it, im at the end of the line with my hair, ffs. I really do hope that this technique is available for me when I really need it, probably a couple more years, HT’s will not work for me I am a destined norwood fucking 7 the way things are fucking going. Fuck sake, just get this HM done so we can all be happy :’(.
Hurry up with that technique, what is taking so long?? These researchers are incompetent, they need 1 billion years to multiply some hair, they are pathetic.
Put someone that knows what is doing in charge of the research not some amateurs because they’ll find something in at least 100 years.
We are going bald here so hurry up!!!! And it’s because of the man made chemicals so it’s your fault ,now fix it.
will it happen in 2009?
I also believe that the product is finished, it’s already a proven science back form 97′. quite possibly the only reason photos and real data are not shown is because it worked so well public demand would cause riots. They can increase the cost of the final product by delaying the procedure to “recoup” their “research” funds. An odd thing a bosley rep told me when i first went for my consul. although he didn’t word it that way.
im 17 going bald….and i neeeeeeed there to be a miracle hair cure in
2 YEARS MINIMUM!!!!!!!!!
everyone is counting on this technique to work but the BIG PROB is that at the moment things are seemingly all a mystery.fuck i hope that they do something about this before i kill myself!,
hair=youthfull looks-happiness:P
no hair=sadness-u feel old-uglinesss-which all leads to depression..(aka me atm)
fareplay for all of those who “look good bald”i unfortunatly do not come under that category……..
ANOTHER 5 YEARS!!!!?SOME PEOPLE DONT HAVE 5-10-15-20 YEARS THEY NEED HAIR NOW OK NOWWWWW!!!!!!im sure id spend a year of all of my hard earned money for this miracle “full head of hair”treatment IFF IT WORKED FOR G SAKES…
Here are two products that grow hair and does not require you to use them in order to maintain your hair. I understand what you’re going thru man. Dr. Zhannguang 101 series @ http://www.tcmhospital.com and Thymuskin @ http://www.thymusking.com (gel and shampoo is all that is needed). They will not work on you if you have put minoxidil on your scalp. Something about it that causes the hair follicle to depend on it and which will eventually kill it off.
About the intercytex looking for a deal with a major company. I hope to god that it is not with Bosley or Medical Hair Restoration because I have seen their work and feel sorry their victims (People who’s hair transplant came out looking like Chucky). It will be a big let down if they do get it.
I am a medical doctor. In our Skin & hair & laser clinic, We are following your progress with much interest. 5 year is very long for some. I have already talked to some of our hair transplant clients in our dermatology clinic. This news has created a wave of excitement. They are waiting. Would yo please keep us osted.
I would gladly pay say 50,000 dollars to get a natrual, full head of hair. I imagine that there are at least 10 million other men on earth who would and could do the same. So consider this to be a 1/2 Trillion Dollar Market. It’s hard to beleieve that the only Company that would be intrested in a legitimate cure would be a rinky-dink company like Bosley. There must be some extremely complicated and expensive medical hurdles that have to be overcome until we see a honest cure. A real cure for Baldness could make the wealth of Saudi Princes seem like Trailer Park children’s Lunch Money by comparison.
I’m only 19 and losing hair.. I can’t tell you how badly this is affecting me. This is ruining me. People have known me for being good looking, and in a sense, it was my redeeming quality, and now my hair is going, I am losing my confidence in myself. Slowly I am losing my confident personality. Slowly i am no longer feeling attractive to anyone.
Although it is hard to know what exactly is going on, and how successful heard-about companies like intercytex and follica are, the possible market for this will be enormous. This factor is the greatest hope we have.
Even if certain companies fail, I am sure right now, around the world, many different companies and organisations are working on a a similar method, and the potential profit to be made for this so called ’silver bullet’ will be phenomenal.
So I think we should all stay quietly confident and resolute. The infomation at the moment suggests that companies have already found some type of ’success’, so it can only be a matter of time, how long I don’t know. Optimistically, from the infomation so far, perhaps a few more years. Perhaps five. I wouldn’t mind waiting ten years for this, that would make me 30. I think I would draw the line after 20 years, if there is nothing by this time, which would make me 40, then I think I would just let go of any hope. With all this in mind – from looking at varoius sources, companies seem to be close, a few years close at least to developing a product to save us from this injust and indiscriminate infliction.
Along with all fellow sufferers, I pray and hope that Sceince may finally overcome nature in this long process of suffering, and that at last, in the 21st century, we will have a long awaited cure.
Being a physician, I can certainly say that follicular hair multiplication will certainly be a fantastic remedy in the near future. I am bothered by Intercytex on several different levels however… The results of phase 2 are outstanding and promising, so how could they not be already diligently working on phase 3 right now!!! I find it hard to believe that funding would be a problem, considering the huge potential market base for this. Second, by partnering with Bosley Medical, this is very discouraging. The Bosley group is a 100million dollar industry and their only motivation is profit. They do not care about individuals. This is equivalent to someone building an engine that runs on water, then wanting to partner with Exxon. I smell a rat here… and that rat’s name is Bosley. Beward.
George, I feel ya.
I’m 20 and I started noticing hair-loss at the age of 15.. It got serious at 16 and It made me convinced that I wasn’t good looking enough to get girls or be very popular. I ignored the problem and didn’t admit it to myself before I was 19.. then I used rogaine, it was relatively effective on me and I got some hair back.. It was the spark I needed to get back on track, finding the person I really have been all the time.. Now I definitely have relatively thin hair at my crown-area, but I realized how little it actually matter. I talked about it with a class-mate a couple of months ago and he didn’t know what I was talking about first and then he accepted my view but he claimed he really hadn’t thought about it.
As for girls, hair, or even physical looks in general is not seen as the primary sexual thing in a man. I recommend you to read “The Game” by Neil Strauss if you haven’t already, it can become a social revolution for you, as it has for me. Now I am popular, good with girls, AND balding. I’m gonna use the hair cloning treatment when it becomes public (and affordable), but until then I certainly wont worry about my hair anymore =)
So what is new to this hair cloning thing? nobody isn´t posting anything.
it will work……….but when…………can’t wait any more
I can´t wait either, I hope that they´ll work something out soon, youth is passing…:(
this really looks as though it is going to be available in 2009
I kind of doubt it. They haven´t posted any pictures of test patients yet, why???
They’ve only ever shown the public 1 pair of pics from 18 months ago. Here they are
http://img523.imageshack.us/im.....otoph2.jpg
Of course they have photos of their phase II trialists but they are not at liberty to show us. I live in Oldham which is a few miles from Manchester and know an employee of Intercytex and although she worked on Phase II of Vavelta she did tell me that Phase II of TRC is complete and that the company is just tying up some loose ends with partners about the % of money that these partners will retain from the sales of TRC.
Why are they hiding those pictures??? The result isn´t satisfying???
Do you mean that the ICX-TRC is done but they are just doing administrative business now??? If that is the only issue then I believe that they will launch it in 2009 but this is taking really long…
Did you had the chance to see some of the trial patients???
They are hiding the photos for commercial reasons.
Merry Christmas and happy new year!!!
I believe that they are hiding pictures but I wanted to know why, thank you for the answer… Do you think that they will show those pictures in first quarter 2009(I believe that is till April if I am right), they were saying something like that on their website…
They will show everything by Q1 2009 when the trial is complete and should announce a launch day as well as the cost.
I hope they do that, you live near Manchester right??? can you apply for a trial patient? are they accepting volunteers???
yes i live in a town called oldham which is just a few miles from manchester. They are not accepting trialists because the trials is complete. As i understand it, it was a rolling trial ie phase IIa phase IIb. They always had the intention to launch after phase II. Of course this depends on regulatory issues in different countries but it should be launched somewhere in 2009.
this is some good news… What about Follica how far are they???
Any comments about this news:
Acquisition of stem cell company Axordia Limited by Intercytex:
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/.....008-12-22/
Please keep it clean, stay on topic, no spam.
DD i truely hope what you say is confirmed as a 20 year old suffering from rapid balding. Intercytex offers a ray of hope, to potentialy millions who suffer psychological trauma and social difficulties from balding.
However can someone please tell me what these means for TRC?
Surely a Cash Cut is a bad thing.
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/.....09-01-26a/
I’m very optimistic about the future. And I have good reasons to be optimistic, because we have already seen some excellent results: today, there are two effective baldness treatments (finasteride, minoxidil) and hair cloning will be a major improvement.
«I mean no mention of quality, hair count, or if the hair is DHT resistant has ever been throughly disclosed.»
Chris, I’m not an expert but if the new hair cells are taken from the back of the head, they should be DHT resistant.
I dont think a cash cut is a bad thing. They dont need these employees so why keep them and pay their wages. They clearly say that they have made good progress on all of their products and want to research cash for partnering reasons. I think TRC is complete and they dont need any more trials simply because they know what they have to know. The same happened to vavelta and this product is on the market in the midst of phase 2. TRC is a huge business opportunity for Intercytex and when it comes there sure will be a stampede.
My dear dd, i wish i would believe you but it’s not the case , intercytex always said that they have to go through phase III before any launch, the last news are not enthusiastic at all, they don’t show any evidence of regrowth and if it was the case, a phase III would be necessary,it seems that they put their product for hair at the last level… as for theirs others products, they had the authorization to skip the phase by regulatory approval wich is not the case for TRC! all we need it’s just read the informations!if TRC was a success they probably focus on that to attract investissors!
dd, can you confirm TRC launch in 2009 with your friend at Intercytex? I remember reading Dr.Kemp’s interview on hairsite in which he said that TRC will require MHRA approval in UK, so it definitely can’t be launched in UK. In US, Aderans are going through trials therefore Intercytex would have to go through trials as well, so even if Bosley partners up with Intercytex they won’t be able to launch TRC in US. Which other country could they possibly launch this in? because they’ve always said that they are looking for a company with established infrastructure i.e. Bosley, so they can offer TRC alongside HTs.
forget about TRC,once again they always said that this product have to go in phase III before any launch and the waiting result is not a good sign!
Has anybody heard anything on how Aderans is coming along with there testing.
I’m 20 and I noticed my hair started falling out at 19 and I started the finasteride to slow down what I knew was inevitable. I can hold out for 5 years but I want to
Technically baldness can only be eliminated through gene manipulation and gene manipulation is so far outside of the realm of possibilities in this day and time. So balding will not be wiped out because even if our hair is cloned and replanted the genome for baldness will still be in our DNA and we will pass it on to our children. So even our children will have to pay for this treatment if it works so until scientists are capable of changing the gene this will always remain a viable cure for baldness after its completetion.
She never worked on TRC. She worked on Vavelta and doesn’t know much about TRC but she did say that it they are focusing on partners and working out the slice of the % they will get from the sales. She was also a bit cheeky saying the clinic used to get 50000 e mails a week about TRC and now they just use spam folder for all of them. As far as MHRA goes the last reveiw was before phase I. Now that Phase II is complete they can forward more clinical data to the MHRA who will make a second decision based on that. A year a go Intercytex said they dont intend to go beyond phase II. My take on that is that they dont need to. Just wait for the marach report.
Since Dr.Kemp himself said that TRC WILL be regulated by MHRA in UK. I’m pretty confident that there won’t be any commercialization in UK this year. What I want to know is any chance of commercialization of TRC in any country This year? Can you ask your female friend about that? Even though she didn’t work on TRC, she probably would have heard something about it.
As for what she said about partners, so are there more than one party ready to commercialize TRC and making offers to Intercytex?
I will ask her but she doesnt know too much about TRC because the work was in a different department. She only knows about partnering stuff because Intercytex intended to launch both Vavelta and TRC at the same time but vavelta got the green light much earlier.
don’t hold your breath! after all the delayed , postponed results and news,i don’t think but it’s my opinion based on what i’ve read and experienced during all these years of waiting, that the march report will bring us any news on TRC launch! and i don’t see any reason the MHRA change his opinion about TRC during phase II but once again it’s just my opinion.
Opinions vary
dd, please ask her as soon as possible and let us know. The bit that I’m especially interested in is if there is a commercial launch this year and if yes, then which quarter. Thanks!
i will but dont hold ur breath cos she doesn’t know too much about TRC
you talk about a launch and we still don’t know about the product itself!
There is no reason to me pessimistic. My logic is, if they know how to grow babies from test tubes, and make bombs that can wipe out greater part of the planet, clone animals and genetically modify organisms they sure can grow stupid hairs…:)
Bill Gates at the TED Convention
“While he asked the audience “How do you stop a deadly disease that is spread by mosquitoes?”, Mr Gates also noted that more money is spent finding a cure for baldness than eradicating malaria.”
Spoke to her today. I told you she didn’t know much. She could tell me a monster load about vavelta but we’re not really interested in that are we. She did say that the directors dont ever get the medical researchers involved in the commercial stuff. They were all made to sign confidentiality agreements before they took on the post she added. She was confident though about Intercytex and said they are a very well run company and looking to launch all of their products as soon as possible in Europe first of all.
Thanks for the informations,dd,but it remains a lots of unknows about TRC, remenber that the report on this product has been delayed from more than a year.
Sorry what i mean was that her opinion is based on her feelings and not on facts, she don’t really know what’s happening concerning TRC wich is normal if she works in an other department, but thanks anyway!
Thank you dd for keeping us all updated, its almost teasing knowing you know someone within the organisation, being that close to an answer, and still were all here asking the big question, I for one hope that the secretism is justfied and were rewarded with some developments. dd has your friend been worried about losing his/her job with the cuts, does the company seem confiden?
he we dont need to know about the dynamics of TRC. Go to intercytex’ website and it clearly states that it grows hair and the product has been proven to do so. Remember that it has been backed by the government who would welcome a huge financial boost to the ecomony at this time. They have competition and they can’t compromise their position by going public. The report has been delayed ??? I dont know where you have got that from. James we already know that the company are cutting down on staff although she didn’t mention she will be going. She’s a clever bunny though and did her Phd in skin sciences but i suppose no one is immune these days. Im not sure if i can get anything more out of her than she has already told me. I do feel they will launch TRC in 2009. People are sceptical because it is something they have been waiting for for a long time. It has indeed taken a long time when you consider people have been waiting for something like this since the 80’s. Back then there was no company inclined to really profit from the market because financial backing was hard to come by but its a very different story today.
In september 2008,they were supposed report all about TRC,pictures,ect…they delayed to march 2009! about the money from the gouvernment it was a grant award from the DTI to automate production.
Thank you dd for being our eyes and ears!
It sounds like your trying your best to keep is in the loop we appreciate it!
Can anyone tell why dr. Rassman is so pessimistic(or real)???, he says that this will not be available even 10 years from now???
On the other hand prince William has balding problem so Intercytex has one big customer…
I’ve just looked at his website and i can easily tell he has nothing to gain from promoting HM because he is not involved. Take this for example -
Rassman – “I personally do not believe that the safety issue can be resolved in anything less than 10 years”
We know that the above statement is utter rubbish because intercytex safety trials were concluded in spring 2004. Intercytex lead researcher May 2004 – “I am delighted that TrichoCyte has proven safe in all volunteers enrolled”
The paid advertisement on his website prove that the website is up for financial reasons as an ethical dr would never allow any other business to advertise on their own website. Remember that the biggest losers when HM is released will be HT dr’s. Why would anyone want to have hair moved around when they would have the option of having new hair growth ???
He’s just one of the dr’s who is trying to protect his own interests in the midst of a HM frenzy.
Agreed – Although I rate Dr Rassman’s “Balding Blog” very highly he unfortunately has a vested interest in trying to get us all to have HTs (with him!). He does not want people to sit back and wait for HM instead.
He therefore puts the “10 year” window on things as he knows that few of us can wait that long for HM so (he hopes) we will go get HTs in the meantime!
Anyway cheers for the updates dd.
PS – does anyone know anything about Thomas Whitfield and TRX2? Any insiders??!
Thanx dd… I thought so, those HT dr´s are pure snakes, HT´s are expensive as hell, and at the end you still lose hair and need repairs… :flop: That USA health industry is pure profit, they are behind EU(morally) at least 100 years…
Here’s the results my friends:http://www.investis.com/icx/pdfs/hair_morphogenesis.pdf
believe me i am the first one to be disapointed, now you can concluded what’s gone be the march report on DPC!
http://www.investis.com/icx/pd.....enesis.pdf
he the article talks about proto hairs. Its in the pre-clinical stage. We’re interested in TRC which has completed phase II.
Please read it carefully,they talk about the DP cells too and their inefficient result in terms of aesthetic on humans!
dd don’t be blind!
doesn’t seem relevant to me?
Inefficient results ????? Why would they say this ?
Farjo “We can take a small sample from the back of the head, extract the dermal papilla [DP] cells and then use a patented method of multiplying these basic cells of extracted hairs in the lab,” he said. “Within eight weeks they are capable of generating literally millions of themselves, meaning that only around 100 hairs are needed in order to produce thousands of new hairs.”
what you seem to be referring to is the 2nd method shown here on page 30
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/.....-08-19.pdf
you should not be so confident about the statement they made!
Yes , maybe they can generated millions of these DPCells but there’s no evidence that it gives a efficient aesthetic result and most important a full head of hair!
anyway,all these things we are talking about are just speculations till we have no proofs about it!
Well we don´t know anything right now, but there is something going on and I bet there will be some solution for baldness in our lifetime in the “worst” scenario… I´ve read somewhere that Farjo is planning to grow cloned hair outside the body and then implant it on the donor´s head so the direction where hair should grow would not be an issue anymore…
Just wait until the march report. My friend will always be my friend and look to talk to someone working on TRC.
Of course, keep your heads up gentlemen, girls don´t mind if you are bald, you can trust me on that one.
DD, are you sure that everything is working fine in ICX? Do you know somebody from that company? When do you think that it could be launched? Please answer this few questions
just read what is written above and you will have your answers! what kind of questions is this? my friend.
He said that he knows someone from this company and something about launch it this year. Is this possible?
then read above!
I thought I was asking dd, not you.
i don’t want answer for him but he’s just waiting like the rest of us the march report and once again all your answers are already answered above!
OPDY – Sorry for the delay in responding. Yes i do know someone working for Intercytex but she’s not working on TRC which is frustrating from our point of view. She’s working on Vavelta. She told me last week she would try to talk to someone working on TRC. I sent her a text message yesterday evening and she just said they treat the building like area51. I dont know what she means by area51 but will ask her when i see her.
Hello DD, you are a good guy! at least she has a certain sens of humour because area 51 is a secrative military base in the US where it’s supposed to be some experimentals stuffs and the intense secrecy surrouding the base led it to become the frequent subject of conspiracy theory! very funny indeed!
I am not a conspiracy theory fan but do you think that royal family in UK is forcing and financing that cure too, after all future king of England has a balding problem and he is a young man…
there’s no treatment for hiv cos its a sin given by god for human kind so that people will control themselves from lustful activities or else there might be no control over sex and baldness is also a sin for people who have comitted grave mistakes in their previous lives cos if one consumes finax he may get a fewer hair growth over his bald scalp but he cant have rock hard erections at all the times he wills and there’s even ejaculatory problem and decrease in semen volume ,whats the use in consuming finax and compromising in sexual life ,cos baldness is a sin .THESE SCIENTISTS ARE SOLDIERS AGAINST GOD’S WILL AND THEY CAN NEVER FIND TREATMENT FOR BALDNESS AND LIFE THREATENING HIV.NOBODY CAN SURPASS GOD’S WILL AND HIS PUNISHMENT FOR HUMAN KIND.
Spoke to her this morning. She told me TRC researchers are in secluded part the building so unless she meets one of them in the car park she cant talk to them. Secondly, she told me that Vavelta will be launched in Holland in Spring. As far as Intercytex on the whole goes she told me they only do Phase III trials if they didnt find what they were looking for in phase II to satify the requirements of regulators. That may explain why intercytex don’t intend to carry out phase III.
Stallone, I respect your opinion even if someone else tells you to get a medication. But use your brain, if someone is bald and lustful that is not going to stop him in doing his intentions.
dd
we are waiting for your posts. You are the only one positive over the whole hair cloning thing
dd, I’m confused about the phase-III statement, she might be true about Valvetta in terms of not needing a phase-III trial. BUT Dr.Kemp has said that TRC would require phase-III in UK, so unless she is talking about launching TRC in some other country with less regulations only than I can see it as a possbility.
Is it possible your friend can date some lonely guy from TRC department, and get all the info?
And what about the financial problems? :s One of their products failed and investors arent very happy. DD, give us hope!!!
Kat interviews are unofficial. I would pay more attention to shareholder reports that they publish such as the one at the top of this page which states that they dont intend to go beyond phase 2. Vavelta and TRC are both aesth products so the same principles would apply as far as trials go one would imagine at least in some countries. OPDY ive read the report on PRO. I cant imagine they’d be too disheartened since then the income generated from TRC alone will break the bank. The disappointing results of PRO may in fact be a blessing in disguise for us since TRC now becomes their lead product
dd, i am sorry to say that it begins to smell fishy,you relly should warn your friend that this company is starting to loose money , their stocks are way down and the pro episode is not a goog sign! if they were really believed in TRC then why the product was rigt at the beginning their leading product!
Come on man, Microsoft was in the same situation in 80´ as Intercytex is now, and they rule the world today.
if someone is concerned so much about baldness and their looks there is little hope one can find in FUE follicular unit extraction in this procedure the bald person has to under go multiple sittings and get the hair follicle transplanted from the donor area ,this is completely different from strip method or FUT ,cause the donor area is limited ,but where as in FUE after the follicle’s are extracted from donor area and implanted in the bald area ,the extracted hair from donor area grows back in a couple of days back, go for multiple sittings and have full head of hair.But its time consuming and very labourous procedure and very costly but one has spend heavily to get full head of hair.Its waste of time and energy thinking and having hope about icx-trc intercytex waiting for too long will make u old person just as what maverick said what microsoft was in 80’s and that they rule the world now but damn its about systems and computer languages and periperal’s and this hair is about a person’s life his looks and how he makes himself appear to others ,if people wait atleast half the years microsoft had made it now from 80’s say half of 29 years that is 14 1/2 years for intercytex an average person who is in his 20’s would be 34 years and wud have lost all his youth waiting for icx-trc .even though icx-trc finds a treatment people have to go further loading of dermal papilla injection to keep the hair in growing condition and where as in FUE no need of further sitting once the procedure is completed .BEST OF LUCK to all bald people.
Phase II complete!!
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/pipeline/
Watch this space – Marketed in the UK shortly
They just said complete!
Sorry i mean there is just the words phase II complete!
Stallone we are not interested in FUE because it is not a permanent solution, no one here wishes to give all hard earned money to those hair transplant money bloodsucking vampires called “doctors”.
dd, can you confirm “marketed in the Uk shortly” from your female friend at Intercytex?
Kat she doesnt know but her gut feeling is its on the verge of hitting the pharmacy shelves
Look, Stallone I respect your thoughts, but I disagree with one thing.
did you ever think God is working through these scientist to creatre a cure for baldless?
I know you believe these scientist are soilders against go’d will.
How can you say that.
So if scientist find acure for cancer are they doing the devil’s work.
I mean really.
Ever heard God’s hands are thay of a surgeon.
It’s really is outladnish to make people feel they are evil for wanting a full head of hair.
I beleive hair cloning in some form or another will be on thre market in 3-5 years tops.
Dr Costalaris in Philadelphia and Dr Jones in Toronto as well as several other places are all working hard.
I dont know about Intercytex is leading the pack anymore, but who’s to say. I know it’s hard for alot or people going through hairloss.
I started when I was 18 after a major surgery on my lung and went into diffuse thinning and have gone through a roller coaster of growing bakc and thinning as I have diffuse thinning all over my head. I have been told by countless heartless docters that I’m not a canidate for a transplant because I dont have enough donor hair, and just live with it. All because they know they cant make money off me with a regualr translplant.
For someone lie me and others who dont have enough donor hair and are young, late 20’s early 30’s, hair cloning will be the answer to our prayer.
What about burn victims, who cant grow hair back and dont have nough donor hair either.
Are scientist really agaidnt god when they perfect hair cloning and can help these people too, so they can finally feel like they fit into society again?
The world is a cruel harsh place, and it’s only gotten worse.
As a person with hair loss i had been rejected and judged by more people then I wish to recall.
Some people have no idea what males and woman who suffer with hairloss are going through. Perhaps you have hair loss, and havent had people sestroy your self esteem, but let me tell you any given chance people will do so. Society lookls for people’s weakness and they try to exploit it. Especialy other men towards men in the business world, and to woman on the dating scene who like to get their jollies by tearing down guy’s self esteem. Not to mention the woman who suffer from hairloss, and must endure ridcule from other woman. Unless you suffer from hair loss yourself you have no idea what mental anguish it brings to the sufferer.
Why is it ok for botox, and gastric bypass and nose jobs and face lifts and breat implants for people to feel better about themselves. But we hair loss sufferers are told we are “lusting” after a cure or are vain?
It be nice to be able to look in the mirror and like the image I see and not be living with severe depression because of my appearance, and feeling like no one around me understands. It be nice for once to be able to look in the mirror and not cry and finally see the image in the mirror matches the person I see myself on the inside. It be nice for one day the opposite sex to find me attactive again.
It be nice the day I dont feel like a social leper.
It’ll be nice the day all the woman who dated me and rejected me not because of my peronality but because of my apperance, will feel like losers themselves, because I’ll be better looking then the losers they picked over me.
It’ll be nice the day the wounds others have inflicted onto me because of my looks will finally heal.
Because that day will be the day hair cloning goes public available to the masses. And all the bad treatment and rejection and self doubt and self loahing and depression will be a thing of the past, because I will finally look the way I used to and the way I still picture myself in my mind.
The only refuge I have left from this cruel world.
I pray these scientist are guided by God’s hands and skill. That not one more person has to suffer from hair loss much longer.
Here is a question for all of you: why don’t you talk about the latest news on Intercytex? They just experienced a big failure on their lead drug “Cyzact”, the shares have gone down 50%, and they are now considering merging or being taken over. It’s not necessarily bad news for TRC… (I’m an optimistic guy). What do you guys think about all that?
PS for Nonamedloser: I agree that hairloss is very annoying; we all would like so much to get a full head of hair. But compared to most of the diseases, that’s nothing. If your hair looks strange (you say it’s thinning all over your head), shave your head, you will still be healthy (and look healthy, as long as you’re not too white and/or too skinny), still have friends, and still be able to pick up girls, so that’s not the end of the world. And forget all the nasty comments (there are bad people everywhere, but nice people everywhere too, so just focus on the nice ones).
Hi Hopeful, unfortunatley I have malasportion do to severe intestinal disease so I am extemely thin, and the malasportion is not helping hairloss matters. I also do to lack of nutrients have developed poor wound healing and inflammatory conditions which effect my skin, so head shaving is out of the question. People already look at me and ask if I have cancer because of my weight and sickly appearance.
I’m actually hapilly married. The issues are that strangers and friends of my family and random people who like to comment on my appareance when they should be minding their business. And the resentment and anger I hold towards people from my past who judged me ( like ex’s). Adn then there’s the strangers. and the stares in public. It’s gotten so bad other then work, where wear I wear beanies, which i’m allowed to because I work outside most of the time, I’m become a recluse and shut in.
Going to malls and supermarkets and eating out has become unbearable to me. it’s not my imagination either. Some people are actually nice and dont make me feel uncomfortable, but too many times you get people stating from across a table at an applebee’s because I guess I look like Gollum to them or something. Or the cashiers at Target’s or Wal-marts who wont look up and make eye contact because their uncomfortable even though i am being courteous and friendly. It’s this kind of ignorance that I must endure that has made me despise society , and forces me to stay in. I try to get out more in the winter months because i can wear a beanie, but try going out to a mall or eating out wearing a beanie on your head in the spring or summer. My head being covered inflames my scalp even more and makes the inflammation even worse. The Summer months are living hell for em. I must cover my head, with a hat or scarf, to protect it from the sun, and in the meantime it’s sweating and getting more inflamed.
I cant even get a biopsy because the dermotologist fear my scalp wouldnt heal. All I get is topical steroids to deal with my inflammation.
I’ve been told by 8 out of 10 dermatologist and hair transplant doctors ive gone to, that I dont have male pattern baldness, but rather, diffuse female pattern due to malasportion and the resulting inflammatory condtions. I’ve been told by all of them my only option would be hair cloning and i would definetly be a canidate and to hang tight.
Fine and dandy, but my quality of life is poor at best in the meantime.
And to say society and people in public are ignorant and rude towards people who look sickly or different, is the understatment of the century from my experiences.
dd, I find your statement weired because TRC is not supposed to hit the pharmacy shelves. Btw, has your female friend found any information, can you please ask her again?
Pharmacy shelves = commercial release. British lingo
. Im not going to keep asking her over and over again in person. I will text her though and see what she says.
No clue on the impact of the current Intercytex turmoil on TRC, guys?
Intercytex are dead, DD thanks for you and your friends support.
http://www.clonemyhair.com/hai.....90045.html
Anybody who is interested and does not one to lose hope should focus on Aderans Research and Histogen and Follica.
It talks about proto hairs which is their 2nd method and is still at pre-clinical stage.
they talk about experiments on animals=pre clinical= proto hairs
dd,your friend is certainly aware that the company where she works is on sale!her gut feeling has not anticiped that option!i hope for her that she’s gone keep her job, i truly do because this company is really strangely managed!
Well hé! it is a recesion, global crisis but that doesn´t stop Intercytex for doing their research, they will maybe need some money from investors but I believe if they come to conclusion that TRC is possible to work well they will stop other projects and focus on TRC because if TRC is a success they will make so much money that they will not know where to go with it. First quarter 2009 report will tell us everything and we will know what we are on. In the worst scenario, if Intercytex collapses, their hair scientists with all the knowledge will find a job at competition companies and help them which is also good and maybe even better. If Intercytex, Aderans, Follica etc. would work together they would have came up to something by now I believe.
Maverick,it’s no more about to launch a product!( if the product were fantastic believe me, they were already focusing on him but it was not their favorite one in their portfolio)it’s about saving the company !
Like I´ve said, if the company dooms scientists will still have the knowledge and will look to get a job elsewhere and continue their work, more different specialist in one place will be far more efficient than few of them at different places. I really don´t know why is so difficult to grow stupid hair and not so difficult to make deadly viruses or bacteria resistant to any known drugs capable to wipe out good part of the population if necessary.
he i dont think she’ll be losing her job. She’s currently in sheffield for whatever reason as she says she’s working in a lab there. I didn’t know intercytex had a clinic in sheffield but she told me she has something nice to tell me which she’d rather not text. I wonder what that is
but the fact that they’ve got anything to grow at all is remarkable in itself. As far as the recession goes, we’re seeing the government bailing out the banks. Intercytex has already asked the goverment for help once, why cant they do it again ?
I cross for my fingers but i don’t know why the government will help this company and not the others!as you know i’ve seen a lot in this field during all these years and the financial situation of Intercytex is really worried,they are in sold! i don’t know what you mean by “anything to grow is remarkable in itself” rather scary!maybe she’s gone tell you that they are gone be buy by a bigger company?who knows? anyway thanks for the update if you have any real informations!;-)
This is a serious business here, government also knows that hair multiplying is a hen with golden eggs, even the prince Will of UK will be among many patients.
dd, PLEASE ask her what that nice thing is. It’ll be mucho appreciated!
DD friend Mrs X is working at Sheffield spin-out Axordia, a company developing stem cell therapies bought by the Intercytex Group in December.
Axordia, in collaboration with The London Project to Cure Blindness, is developing a novel stem cell therapy to treat age-related macular degeneration, the leading cause of blindness in the elderly. This programme, which also involves the Moorfields Eye Hospital in London, is currently in late-stage preclinical development.
In addition, through Axordia, Intercytex gains exclusive rights to commercialise discoveries in stem cell research derived from the Centre for Stem Cell Biology at the University of Sheffield.
James, absolutely right! Kat,don’t worry if DD has something important to say ,i think he will, he has always do! however keep in mind the facts.
Maybe ,she just want tell him that she likes him more and more wich is nice, we should be happy for them!
so don’t get to excited!
Hahaha that would be a good joke.
Come on, chin up, we are going to have hair… 
right here i go, TRC and Vavelta data submitted to MHRA on 16th Feb 2009. She only knows this because she has seen the internal memo which has been given to each researcher who is working on either of these products. She couldn’t add with any purpose what this means as far commercialisation goes for TRC since she does not specialise in that area but did tell me she is sure vavelta is in the process of wider commercial launch in the UK and Europe. Hope this helps anyway.
Thanks anyway,dd, you’ve done your best, stil not the answer but they seems to carry on with TRC.
dd, has the TRC data been submitted for early commercialization in UK? did she say anything about TRC results?
It looks that way. They submitted it after phase I and were declined on the basis of results they had then. Now since phase II is complete maybe the MHRA will change their mind. She didnt say anything about TRC itself as she doesn’t know.
Is it possible to get TRC in Intercytex at your own risk if MHRA declines it again???
Thanks very much, dd, for sharing all this information with us. Does someone remember how long MHRA’s review took for Phase I? I remember having heard of an average process of 12-18 months for each review… hope it will be much quicker than that. Anyway, the report/data (/photos?) for Phase II is likely to be published by the end of the month, as scheduled, I guess. We’ll know more then about the results and the possible “early commercialisation”.
If they are submitting TRC to commercialization that means that their results are really satisfying with their test subjects? TRC works fine? If that is true then this is truly wonderful news, but I am a little bit skeptical until I see the test subjects “before” and “after” photos.
dd, I just read on another forum that Intercytex has even removed the link to FAQs page from their website, where they mentioned possible commercialization in 2010. The only thing on their website with regard to TRC development is the statement that they are looking for a partner to proceed with the next clinical phase. IMO, that’s not good news at all!
The fact that they removed the FAQ means nothing. They are just revamping their website.
Look at the pic i posted above. The hair looks normal and if spread across the scalp it will look indistinguishable from your normal hair. This extract is from someone who has seen a trialist’s (Kemp) scalp him/herself from April 2006
“Dr Kemp has tried his own new treatment for baldness. He bends forward to show two blue dots tattooed on top of his head, a couple of centimetres apart. “A normal head has around 200 hairs per square inch; lose half of them and people notice your hair is thinning,” he says. On Dr Kemp’s head an extra 66 hairs are now growing between the two blue dots. Reproduced across the pate that would turn a bald head into a normal-looking head of hair.”
Thanks dd, you are like a voice of the angel between all the pessimism.
Does anyone know how long man is actually trying to find some kind of a solution for baldness during the 20 th century, stem cells are known from 1908, I just can´t believe that no research(or at least some results) on this field hasn´t been done till the “big mouse discovery” by Costarelis in 2004 
. Can anyone explain that.
Yes, but it does not mean that is true!
Man has been trying for centuries but their attempts have been topical. Has anyone ever thought how hair growth can be topically induced when the problem lies within the scalp ? Topicals do nothing. We know that castrated men never go bald and thats what man had been consigned to to save their locks. Things are very different today.
It comes down to money maverick. my friend worked in academic labs where researchers were working on growing heart tissue. She told me that growing hair is 100x easier than curing cancer, growing heart tissue etc but the senate at universities would never fund it because there would be outrage as to why an academic lab is working on a none life threatening disease when there are people out there dying from aids/cancer/alzheimers etc ie Wendy Richards died today of cancer and Jade goody is on the brink of death. It had to come from a private source such as intercytex.
If you consider the human nature, vanity is sometimes even more important than life threatening disease to someone who has a lot of money and does a job in a society that promotes good looks(like Hollywood for example). There were always rich people that were healthy but bald and they probably didn´t gave a rat´s bottom about cancer, AIDS etc. they just wanted their hair back and youthful looks and that is a harsh true. Sad but unfortunate reality. So I wonder since stem cells were known from 1908, how come that till then there was no even the private sector who did a research in hair growth or teeth growth? At least the rich people in Hollywood had money to fund such a research if it all comes to money.
dd, The FAQs are back! makes me wonder if they are actually reading these boards
This is what they are officially saying now about TRC launch:
“ICX-TRC is classified as a medicine by the regulatory authorities and hence has to undergo a series of clinical trials before it can be offered on the market, which will take a number of years to complete. ”
The last phrase says it all, it will take a number of years!
Since they have recently updated their website, and assuming your friend’s info is correct, they could have just said that they have submitted data to MHRA and will know in a few months whether they need to go through the phase-III trials BUT they haven’t. I don’t know how you can be optimistic about their latest statement.
The thing that baffles me personally is that why aren’t they exploring lTRC launch options in other countries? it’s not like MHRA is gonna go after them for doing that.
Kat its the same FAQ as they had before. They have not updated it even though we know phase II is complete.
“2. When will ICX-TRC be on the market?
ICX-TRC is classified as a medicine by the regulatory authorities and hence has to undergo a series of clinical trials before it can be offered on the market, which will take a number of years to complete. At the current time, we don’t know in which country it will be launched first. ”
This statement is there for years, I know because I´ve read the it. Maybe they will launch something in the other countries, that would be great, I would have volunteered immediately.
This one has been there for almost 2 yrs -
“May I take part in the Phase II clinical trial?
The trials are being conducted at the Farjo Medical Centre in Manchester so all volunteers have come from that area of the UK, partly for safety reasons but mainly because of their evaluation at the clinic for 48 weeks after the procedure has been undertaken. The treatment phase of the trial has been completed”
They only have updated their site about the pipeline, but still nothing about TRC, except that phase II is complete! they have keept the idea of phase III for this product and nothing on the site give any form of optimistic views or any enthousiastic news!
all we know is that they are on sale, TRC has been,according to dd’friend,submitted to MHRA,we don’t know about the efficiency of the product,stil no results and photos! to sum up a big ,as usual,nothing.
The end of the first 2009 quarter is 20 days from the “deadline”. They will give us an update so we will know what we are on to soon enough.
Histgoen people ICX TRC is not going to make it to the shelves, Surely if they had an effective treatment they would have plenty of backing and it would be there primary product, Look at Histogen AND Aderans Research Bosley own stemcell research there currently doing phase II on the same technology.
Don’t get me wrong as i would love to see ICT TRC pulled off but it has all the hallmarks of a failed product.
There will be pictures and yes you will see hair, and the treatment would probably be great for people thinning but its not the success they will want or need to pay for itself to get within our reach.
Hi.. I wanna ask sumthing..
Does anyone here really know, when are hair cloning going to be released to the market??
Regards,
Mr.S
Unfortunately, the date is always changing. RIght now, Aderans hopes to have something “by the end of the decade.” They are currently in phase II trials. We’re waiting to hear from Intercytex. They say they should have pictures by the end of Q1 (whether that means that they are going to publish them then or not is another story). However, they did a phase II study and so there’s a chance they’ll have to go to phase III. My recommendation would be to check out particular companies websites and keep up to date on those. Unforutnately, people make things up on these boards or misinterpret, so I always think it’s best to “go to the source.”
The fact is that nobody knows!
well..
All we can do just pray then.. Let’s hope that miracle would happen in this world..
Thx guys..
Regards,
Mr.S
Hi all,
No one is posting here anymore? Did you all give up?
I have a question for you guys. We know that final Phase II results are expected by the end of Q1 2009″ (Intercytex mentioned it again on 20/02/2009 in their release about Cyzact’s Phase III: http://www.intercytex.com/icx/.....02-23.pdf). It’s been informally confirmed by dd, who’s been told that Phase II final results had been submitted to MHRA on 16/02/09. But the question is: do you reckon they will show the results??? e.g. photos? I hope so, but we actually have no guarantee about that…
Hi,
well actually how many phase does intercytex has for hair cloning??
This issue has been discussed here before (you can make a search on this page). Nobody actually knows if they will go through a phase III (which is likely to be necessary to get MHRA accreditation) or commercialise this product in another country, without phase III. The last weeks have been pretty hectic for Intercytex; in this current turmoil they might change their mind in a positive way for us… (I mean, they may want to release TRC on the market to generate cash quickly…)
well as long as the result is promising.. it would be a great news for us that they will go to market sooner.. dont u think? =)
That would be fabulous. Personally I would actually be happy if I just knew that it works. Then it would just be a matter of years, but we would know that a hair cloning method exists and will be released. At the moment, unfortunately we have no guarantee at all that it works on a significant area of scalp. Does someone (e.g. “dd”) know if they will release a report (at least some information) about phase II results???
The report will be released on 26th March.
I agree with hopeful, if we just know if hair cloning works fine that would be superb.
Don’t expect too much! they already have changed their FAQ into a pessimistic way concerning their release date!
Thanks dd! You’re an amazing source of information. On internet I didn’t find any information about a report release on 26/03/09. Now we just have to pray during 5 days
As long as the project goes on the hope is present. If they cancel the project and give up on it, that will be the final defeat.
have you read the last article on fox news!
whats the news??
follica have put a treatment out for 2018?hhahaahaa joke were one big joke to these companies! another 10 years to go! old georgie boy said 5 years ago there would be a treatment now!
u guys might want to check this out http://www.histogeninc.com/abo.....nts.htm#20
http://foxnews.proteus.com/con.....rentPage=2
said that hair cloning will be on market on 2013..
“follica have put a treatment out for 2018?hhahaahaa joke were one big joke to these companies! another 10 years to go! old georgie boy said 5 years ago there would be a treatment now!”
If that is true then I don´t know why that dr. Cotsarelis is talking 5 years from now etc. why is he deceiving people? Say: “It will be done when we make it, I don´t know when”. That Follica is a joke we need somebody smarter and more capable then them. Mr. S that last link says about advanced baldness diagnostics not about cloning.
owh yeah.. sorry Maverick.. i’m just surprised about any news regarding hair cloning lately.. just curious.. when will this treatment will come.. =(
I pray that it comes soon, I really don´t want to have Bruce Willis´ haircut, that is not me. Sometimes I think that there is cure but they just don´t want to make it public, I am not a conspiracy theory fan but cloning and genetic engineering is practiced since WW2 by Josef Mengele and later allies. Recently some village in Brasil was shown in the news where Mengele allegedly continued his work and all inhabitants are blond, dark tan but blue eyes and hair.
any news guys??? =(
We are all waiting for 26th March, personally I am not too optimistic but I keep positive energy.
as for me.. I think positive result will come.. =) i hope..
One day it will but we are born in a wrong time, I bet when it comes out I will not want it because I´ll be grandpa.
owh c’mon.. it won’t take that long.. =0.. stay with me.. keep positive.. =)
Well if it comes out 10+ years form now on which is most likely, I´ll be 34+ years old(best years of my life down the toilet). But for sure it will be 20 years from now on, then I´ll be 44+ years old and I will not be interested in HM anymore, at that age something else will bother me more than hair and good looks. That´s life.
“Well if it comes out 10+ years form now on which is most likely, I´ll be 34+ years old(best years of my life down the toilet).”
^^ Oh ffs Maverick, are you serious? 34 is HARDLY over the hill, lol. Richard Gear had already turned 40 when he starred in Pretty Woman and became the heart-throb of women everywhere. Tom Selleck ( aka Magnum P.I ) still set women’s hearts racing well into his 50’s. Then there’s Pierce Brosnan, Colin Firth, Hugh Grant etc, the list goes on. They are all older men who are still confident and attractive. And it isn’t all about money and fame either. My dad’s 49 – and not the best looking bloke – yet still gets attention from women 20 years younger.
I’m 23, and I’d like to think that 10 years from now, hell, 20 years from now, my best years will still be AHEAD of me. Looks fade, but personality lasts a lifetime.
As for hair cloning, I think most of us know, deep down, that it’s realistically 5-10 years away ( unless we get brilliant results on Thursday… you never know…. miracles happen! ). But considering that Intercytex have effectively abandoned phase 3 trials, that really doesn’t sound good.
It’s depressing, I know. But the good news is, we already know it WORKS. It’s just a matter of time; a case of when, not if.
Chins-up lads, we’ll get there eventually!
Well said oblivion but nobody know if that thing works( have you seen results,photos ect…) for real neither about a supposed release date!
Well my friend like I´ve said it´s life. Those actors never experienced hair loss in their early 20´s, if they were there is a question if they would be so popular, Hollywood doesn´t tolerate hair loss too much. I hope for miracle tomorrow but I am not too confident about it.
Oblivion is right: We know it works, they have said that new hair was grown in Phase I and II its just not cosmetically effective…..yet.
So it is a case of someone buying this technology and taking it on, now Aderans (Bosley are in Phase II) of the same procedure (probably some key differences) all over the East Coast of the US.
Histogen has a shown success with a technique with merits of both Intercytex and Follica.
Follic are quiet and have appox $17 million, in the kitty.
Oh and heads up on a possible Scam is A&G Hair Growth Complex by AG skin solutions, its creating a bit of buzz.
In 10 years we’ll have something better than propecia, and thats a start
tomorrow is the big day.. keep ur heads up.. =)
You know what! believe my experience, it’s been more than 10 years that HM is around the corner however still nothing on the market!
Intercytex even if they carry on with their product will have to go trough a phase III!
well.. 10 years already?? well that means it won’t be much longer.. =) keep positive guys..
Even if the results released tomorrow are crap, there’s still a ray of light for people in the UK.
Boots have just launched their own Hair Retention Programme that, they claim, “allows 9 out of 10 men to keep their hair”. It sounds pretty good – you get a personal treatment regime and digital photos to examine your progress. It’s a bit pricey though at between £7 and £11 per week. Provided it actually works, great! If not… that’s a lot of money down the drain.
If I’m depressed after tomorrow’s less-than-thrilling data, I think I’m going to throw in the towel and try Boots ( Propecia scares the sh*t out of me, I hate the idea of taking a drug every day with frankly unknown long-term consequences ).
Should I decide to give Boots a try, I’ll keep people posted as to whether it makes a difference or is another waste of money. It’ll take about 12 weeks to know what the score is.
MrS you ‘re incredible! at least it’s a positive way of think
Oblivion, frankly i don’t know what boots are but what i know is that only minoxidil and finasteride are two products who have a positive effect on hair loss at least for some people! the other thing we’re talking about such as HM are just speculations!
thx he!.. I try to have some faiths.. and I believe Intercytex doesn’t make us wait for nothing.. =)
MrS, it’s up to you! but all i want it’s to avoid you some disapoitments, i know what is like!
God i hate propecia!
I pray every day for a break through because quite frankly propecia isnt the answer, it maybe for a lucky few but not for the rest of us.
Boots sell you propecia, and take pictures of it! I know I’ve been there, done that
“Boots sell you propecia, and take pictures of it! I know I’ve been there, done that.”
^^ I didn’t realise that… I was hoping they used something else.
I would literally rather go bald than use propecia. There’s no way I’m going to take a drug every day. The constant worrying about what the long-term side effects might be ( I’ve heard all sorts about the prostate and blood pressure etc. ) would cause me untold levels of STRESS… the very reason I’m going bald in the first place!
I’m beginning to resign myself to my follicly-challenged fate.
check intercytex.com for news
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/.....009-03-26/ they said positive data.. but what positive data?? =)
The overall results are bad, I mean if you read the PDF file they gave some relatively good info on trial patients and the product but no pictures(which is B.S.). The hardest part of all is that they don´t intend to finance the continuation of clinical and commercial development over the Phase II and shall seek to sign a partner when they have the complete data package from this trial and they have granted Bosley.
“Positive data from Phase II trial announced today – increase in hair count in the majority of evaluable subjects observed at 48 weeks.”
^^ Please God…. somebody tell me that isn’t it?! I’ve been waiting for months… for… ONE SENTENCE? Did I miss something? So far I’ve seen zero pictures, zero specifics and plenty of vague BS.
And it gets even better; they’ve just announced a pre-tax loss of £11.63m ( about $15 million ). For such a small company, they’re bleeding cash heavily. At this rate, they’ve going to end up selling assets and laying-off staff. Hardly encouraging.
It’s official: Follica represents the last realistic hope.
owh well.. =(
Well, I’ve just read the full report and the most important info seems to be this:
“The overall take rate (number of hairs produced per 100 injections) in the stimulated areas was:
40% (n=6) for hairs of all sizes.
18% (n=6) for hairs over 30 micron in diameter.”
That doesn’t sound like a total disaster. They gave each patient an average of 900 injections, meaning each patient ( on average ) grew between 300-400 hairs. Not bad. However, the most disappointing bit is that over 80% of the resulting hairs are extremely fine and weak… and crucially, we still don’t know if the injected DP cells produce new hairs after shedding.
They need to figure out a way of getting that 18% up to at least 30% for it to become a viable treatment.
I just don’t get it.. if its positive.. then why they dont want to give funds to it.. =(
“It’s official: Follica represents the last realistic hope.”
Nope. I believe more in Histogen and Aderans than Follica. Cotsarelis is all talk 0 results, we didn´t see any results from Follica.
http://www.histogeninc.com/products/regenica.htm histogen will launch the treatment on 2015.. =(
When you see the overall result, it is actually good. Those patients without prestimulation of the scalp had poor results, others had much better, logically that means today you can have good hair today but you need several treatments 40% now 40% later and you got the hair
. For now I believe in Histogen, those wnt proteins in ReGenica gave the best results so far. God damn recession, I believe that recession will make us wait for HM 10 years more than project difficulties.
It’s official: Histogen and Aderans represent the last realistic hope!
“histogen will launch the treatment on 2015.. =( ”
If you ask me 6 years to wait is way better than 10. I mean if they really make it in 6 years not just brag about it. I hate to read when they say 1-2 years from now on and when that period passes they do not do the job, that is frustrating. They all need healthy, steady funding and they will do the job sooner for sure. Frankly, we are all gonna be very lucky if this recession doesn´t evolve into depression which will probably start a war.
“Frankly, we are all gonna be very lucky if this recession doesn´t evolve into depression which will probably start a war.”
If you are referring to the Chinese, I don’t believe things are going to turn that ugly… not for another 15-20 years anyway. They could pull the plug on the US dollar and ruin America tomorrow if they wanted to. The risk of an economic war is always there. For now at least, it remains mutually convenient for the US and China to prop-eachother up ( having said that, in the summer of 1941 the Soviet Union signed its largest-ever trade agreement with… Nazi Germany. Two weeks later, the Germans invaded. So much for being “allies” ).
The good news is that China is churning out 600,000 science and engineering gradates every year – more than the US and EU combined. Their pool of talent is virtually limitless. Napolean once described China as a sleeping giant that would “shake the world” upon awakening. If the world economy can pull through this downturn, and we can maintain co-operation with the Chinese, it will not be long before THEY are the ones producing future medical breakthroughs.
I just dont care anymore which company will laucnh it.. i just hope it happens.. =(
There are many factors left besides China, there is the Islamic world, Iran is getting stronger every day and develops new weapons which West dislikes, Israel especially. We will see what will Obama pull out on that one, I hope everything will work out fine for both sides. China now is like Japan in the 70´ they are copying everything and learning fast, if they continue their development like now they are probably going to be the most powerful country in the world.
“I just dont care anymore which company will laucnh it.. i just hope it happens.. =(”
I feel for you, but nothing is going to happen my friend, not yet.
In this tragic moment I want to thank “dd” for having kept cheering us up over the last weeks. Unfortunately we now face a terrible truth: no hair cloning treatment will be on the market over the next years.
Intercytex is still far from getting results that could reasonably be released on the market. You need at least a density of 80 hairs/cm2 to have something acceptable visually (which is still 3 times less than the natural density of hair, i.e. 250 hairs/cm2). If you do 1000 injections, you get 400 hairs, so you can cover 5 cm2, which is absolutely nothing. It’s actually even worse because most of these hairs are ridiculously thin; if you just count the reasonably thick ones (at least 30 microns, which is still twice thinner than a natural hair), with 1000 injections you get 180 hairs, so you can cover 2 cm2. There is no typing error: 2 cm2. Fabulous.
I already had 2 hair transplants, I know my fate: having a big third one sooner or later… it might be enough until hair cloning in term of appearance, but the price in term of comfort is huge (any kind of wind, water, sweat, etc. is a nightmare…)
Hopeful, thank you for your post.
I was actually looking on the bright side about the results from Intercytex but, as you say, 1000 injections will barely cover 2 square centimetres(!) … the truth is they’re still a LONG way off.
For example, to cover my head with hair would take:
area = 20cm x 25 cm = 500 square centimetres, requiring…. 150,000 injections!!! ( For a full head of thick hair it would require 250,000+ injections. )
The only ray of light I can see, is that I’ve heard talk about a “special gel” being developed, containing hundreds of thousands of DP cells, that is rubbed into the scalp and somehow absorbed – no injections required. I await eagerly to find out if that’s a real possibility or just speculation.
is there any other possibilities to cure this?? =’(
Oblivion said:
“The only ray of light I can see, is that I’ve heard talk about a “special gel” being developed, containing hundreds of thousands of DP cells, that is rubbed into the scalp and somehow absorbed – no injections required.”
I’m curious, who is trying to create that? What company?
Oblivian, you mentioned that you’ve heard talk about a special gel being deveoped containing hundreds of thousands of DP cells.
I’m curious, who is trying to create that? What company?
Terry R, it was briefly mentioned on a Youtube video, looking at research at the University of Pennsylvania – but without any specifics. It stayed in my head because I wondered how it could be absorbed and if so, how would hairs grow in the proper direction? etc.
I still believe the best hope is the invention of a device that can give, say, 100 injections at once. Doing each injection on a single basis would take hours to do only a thousand. And considering that tens of thousands are required, that simply isn’t viable.
If the CEO is saying ” final Phase II results of ICX-TRC which have demonstrated good hair regeneration”
and the chairman is saying “We recently completed a Phase II trial of ICX-TRC, our hair regeneration product with very exciting results”
and the finally the lead investigator “We have learned a lot from this trial,including the different ways in which these cells can be delivered and that it is possible to do one thousand of these injections in a relatively short period of time and at little discomfort to the patient. I am very encouraged by this data both in the increase in the total number of hairs in the treated site but
more importantly by the increase in thicker hairs, those over 30 micron.”
- then why are people trying to turn this into bad news ??
There is no phase III which BTW they posted this time last year but maybe just to confirm that there is no need for phase III is good and they are seeking a partner which they might have found since the report is upto 31st of last year. Wait for the investor presentation in the coming days.
Thanks Oblivian. BTW, sorry for the double post–it was being funky when I posted.
dd, we all try to be optimistic, but we have to be realistic as well. The results obtained so far indicate that there is likely to be a cure (I mean, with visually acceptable results) in 10/15/20 years, but that we are still far from it. That’s nice for the next generation, but for us there is still nothing in sight for the next years (and I hate to have to say that).
I will turn 30 soon, I assume most guys here are around 25. In 5 years (for me) or 10 (for the majority of you), I think most of us will, in a way or another, get over it and give up, because when your youth is over, there are more important things to do in life that spending one’s time being worried about hair.
Based on my experience (two hair transplants), I would recommend most of you to shave. Please consider the “comfort issues” (sport, rain, wind, etc.) before doing it. Moreover, the scarves on the back of the neck are one of the reasons why I keep considering waiting for hair cloning instead of shaving.
I just hope it happens.. =’(
I just hope it happens.. =’(
I believe that they could make a great progress within 5 years, if you consider the progress made so far(by Intercytex for example from 2006 when the project started till today), they made a tremendous advance, they grow hair, shitty but hair. First cars were also b.s. but they evolved really quickly for that era. Today evolution goes way faster because of the technology we have. I just pray that China or Japan starts to develop their own hair cloning, they are smart and fanatic workers.
china and japan started already i think.. but i dunno the name of company.. even India already started to find about hair cloning.. my hope is on intercytex, University of pensylvennia and Histogen..
I don´t know about Follica and Uni. of Pen. their approach is based on wounding the tissue, that may grow new hair but the question about the DHT resistance of those new hairs still stands unclear. I´ll believe in Follica after their human trials, which they still do not perform. Histogen made the best results so far but they are under a lawsuit by some jealous bastard company that is now slowing the progress. They are letting their staff go and some of them are so motivated to make ReGenica work fine, that they are working even for free.
“If the CEO is saying ” final Phase II results of ICX-TRC which have demonstrated good hair regeneration” and the chairman is saying “We recently completed a Phase II trial of ICX-TRC, our hair regeneration product with very exciting results.” – then why are people trying to turn this into bad news ??”
^^ Because frankly, DD, company CEO’s spend so much time talking bollocks that their statements have a massive credibility issue. Just six months ago, the CEO of General Motors was talking about a “bright future” and saying bankruptcy “isn’t an option” – fast forward and GM is losing $1 billion per month and is kept on life-support only by taxpayer’s money. New products? Forget it. They’re cutting staff and selling assets.
As for Intercytex, the CEO can make all the fluffy statements he likes. The fact is we’ve seen zero photographic evidence, the company’s stock price has been obliterated and even their own website claims they’ll effectively be bankrupt in 12 months.
This is not confidence-inspiring stuff, I’m afraid.
well.. if its possible that it will happen sooner then 2015?? =(..
suppose optimizim has turned to pessimism for many people.
They declared that “at the end of the trial photographic data will be analysed from a much larger area of treated scalp on all subjects at 48 weeks.” But there is nothing.
I am personally waiting a date from company to start new treatment so it caused deep disappointment to me.
DD, Have you got any information you learned from your friend. If you have something valuable , please share it with us.
Not spoken to her for a couple of days but she’ll keep her eyes peeled.
As for the TRC launch my take it they are following the same path of vavelta ie sell, earn and assess.
Maybe if we send an e-mail for photos they maybe give it away.
Then
somebody could write an powerful writing to demand photos and copy here.Thus, we can copy and send it to company.
We are potential buyers of this treatment and they made a statemennt to show photos by march. IMO, we have a right to see these photos.
My native language is not English. I am sure someone else can write better one than me.
Excluding the images i posted above, I have only even seen one before image of a male with a fairly large (Norwood 5/6) balding area to cover.
I seriously doubt they will send you photos. They won’t compromise their hard work. They only thing they are interested in is money, money and only money.
well if they interested in money.. they can launch it already since many people are getting bald and will pay for the treatment..
They will
dd, I hope you are right.
Mr S and dd – I appreciate that you’re trying to be optimistic and look on the bright side. But you REALLY should read Hopeful’s brilliant post ( 26 March 2009 at 6:49 am ) and you will understand that there is no way this is going to be launched as a treatment any time soon.
We have to be REALISITC here. Do you realise that, in order just to partially cover a head with hair using HM, it would need over 100,000 injections?
That’s right. 100,000.
And even then, most of those hairs would be ridiculously fine and weak and we don’t even know if they’d re-grow after shedding. The truth is, the technology simply is NOT here yet.
I want there to be a “cure” as much as they next guy. But please, we need to stop deluding ourselves. They’ve taken the first step, yes. And that’s really encouraging. But a working product is 5, 10… 15 years away.
dd.. how could u say they will?? did ue friend tell u already.. and is it tru that intercytex are going bankrunpt??
oblivion.. the only company that we hear news from is only UK and US we cannot forget about the japanese the korean and others, since they develop this technology as well.. so I won’t stop on hoping..
and how about aderans?? any news from them..
I read that companies are racing to find the 1st treatment since prince william is going to bald too.. is that right??
Prince William is going bald yes but for him they will find a solution, as for the rest of us…
Maverick… in my opinion if they find the treatment for prince william they will treast us equally I think.. =).. I mean.. I hope..
What do you think this means “our focus during the coming year will be on realising proper value for all of our regenerative medicine programmes”
Without being overly direct they are referring to launch
its true dd, but they said it generally.. how about ICX-TRC destiny, since they dont put any more money in it.. =(
its true dd, but they said it generally.. how about ICX-TRC destiny, since they dont put any more money in it.. =(
“Maverick… in my opinion if they find the treatment for prince william they will treat us equally I think.. =).. I mean.. I hope..”
I wish I could share your opinion. They will rather let him go bald than let him use the finasteride, they don´t want to risk his descendants.
With regard to Prince William, it would be unlikely if a solution was found that they would withhold it. For one a return in his hair would be throughout the tabloids, and raise the question of how it came to be, and two anyone possessing a truly effective treatment would be insane to keep it private given the money it would generate. I myself remain confident that at most we’re 10 years out from a decent solution, but that within about 5 years we’ll see another weapon in the fight.
Well in 10 years we might see something else ie gene therapy etc. When intercytex opened its doors in January 2000 they had a 10 year plan (budget, competition, saturation etc) to research and market all of their products. Its unfortunate for those who were waiting for ICX PRO to be launched. Yet it got so far but failed at the 11th hour. This coupled with the worldwide recession could be a blessing in disguise for those waiting for their other products as im sure that they are expediting their remaining products to market them ASAP and alleviate some of the financial pain they’ve suffered.
dd, the real questions remains unknown it’s when and where are the pictures? I really hope the investors and the shareholders will kick the ass of the boards of directors at the AGM to have anwsers and release date because if it’s working , it’s time for them to get some cash back!
dd.. how long do u think would it takes till it goes to market ??? =(
dd,
For the question Mr. S asked, please also try taking the opinium of your friend. This is the question everybody wonder
I dont know but based on logic, what i’ve been told and what intercytex have said id say before the summer kicks in it will be available in at least one jurisdiction to at least a niche market. My guess would be that it would cost around £3000 for one session. Now that’s not cheap but at least it will bring a smile to your face.
did ur friend tell u that dd?? well.. I just hope it does come true.. I dont care how much does it cost..
well anyways.. when will we hear the news from intercytex itself??
dd – you are playing with people’s hopes and dreams here. Do you have ANY evidence to support your prediction that:
“before the summer kicks in it (HM) will be available in at least one jurisdiction”?
You then claimed:
“My guess would be that it would cost around £3000 for one session. Now that’s not cheap but at least it will bring a smile to your face.”
I don’t know where you got the £3000 figure from, but you’re right about one thing… it’s just a guess.
People like Mr S are absolutely desperate for a “cure” and wild speculation does nothing more than wind them up and give false hope. It messes with their heads. Making un-supported claims about a treatment coming out “before the summer” is, frankly, a cruel lie.
Once again, I repeat, current HM technology is NOT at a stage to offer treatment. It would require ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND injections merely to PARTIALLY cover a head with hair. Even THEN, most of the hair would be extremely fine and weak – and may not even re-grow after shedding.
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP DELUDING THEMSELVES.
Yep, very dangerous game indeed!
=(..
oblivion you have any evidence to support this -
Once again, I repeat, current HM technology is NOT at a stage to offer treatment. It would require ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND injections merely to PARTIALLY cover a head with hair. Even THEN, most of the hair would be extremely fine and weak – and may not even re-grow after shedding.
Well everyone is desperate for a cure but no one will feel more distraught than Mr S if he pays for a HT now and finds himself out of pocket a few months down the line when TRC comes.
dd,how can you write things like this! once again, you have proofs to be so affirmative? nobody knows what’s going to happen even the board of executives,for now they are searching partnership to continue phase III that’s all we know!
dd,, pls answer.. is it true that it will come this year?? =(
he there is no phase III.
Mr S i dont know and i dont think anyone can tell you the exact date but after 6 years of human trials it’s my belief that it will be available this year.
how about news from ur friend dd?? any news from her??
I see a big posting battle going on here.
dd I really hope you are right, you are a big man in my eyes but lets face the facts. It will be easier for many of us. That Intercytex .pdf file wasn´t optimistic at all, they do not intend to finance TRC anymore, that means that they are out of cash, project was a pure disappointment or there are still many heavy obstacles to surpass.
John, I am citing information given by Hopeful – who knows more about this subject than just about anyone else – and who has stated very clearly:
“You need at least a density of 80 hairs/cm2 to have something acceptable visually (which is still 3 times less than the natural density of hair, i.e. 250 hairs/cm2). If you do 1000 injections, you get 400 hairs, so you can cover 5 cm2, which is absolutely nothing. It’s actually even worse because most of these hairs are ridiculously thin; if you just count the reasonably thick ones (at least 30 microns, which is still twice thinner than a natural hair), with 1000 injections you get 180 hairs, so you can cover 2 cm2. There is no typing error: 2 cm2. Fabulous.”
^^ John, do you realise what this means? It means that to get a full head of hair with HM would require 250,000+ injections. Yes, that’s right, over a quarter of a million injections – over 80% of which would lead to ridiculosuly fine, fragile hairs, that may or may NOT re-grow after shedding. Even to PARTIALLY cover a head with hair would require tens of thousands of injections.
Bearing this in mind, the chances of a treatment being released onto the market this year, are about as likely as Obama announcing that US astronauts will return to the moon before next Tuesday.
I just dont know what to do anymore..
“I just dont know what to do anymore..
”
All you can do right now is wait, unfortunately there is not much options.
Thx Maverick.. I’m just hopeless with my condition atm.. =(
Mr S she doesnt know. If only she was a boardroom member or a TRC scientist we would have had a much clearer picture.
Maverick the fact that they are not going to do phase III is nothing knew. They posted that a year ago (see top of page). Phase III is a dry run ie equivalent to what is to be sold so why not sell and assess. The same principle applies to HT patients. Clinics have before and after photos of their patients. This is what i believe will happen ie sell TRC, take before and after photos and use some for assessment purposes and unrestricted launch.
Mr S she doesnt know. If only she was a boardroom member or a TRC scientist we would have had a much clearer picture.
Maverick the fact that they are not going to do phase III is nothing new. They posted that a year ago (see top of page). Phase III is a dry run ie equivalent to what is to be sold so why not sell and assess. The same principle applies to HT patients. Clinics have before and after photos of their patients. This is what i believe will happen ie sell TRC, take before and after photos and use some for assessment purposes and unrestricted launch.
owh well.. all of them are a big question mark then..
Thanks for your comments, looks like I have a fan-club here
)) But I’m not a specialist 
I had two hair transplants so I know the figures about hair density…
I’m really wondering who is dd. He talks like an Intercytex tout. What is sure is that he has access to internal information (the date of release of the report was not on Internet for example). I just hope he’s not just deluding people. Indeed, despite the amazing improvements ICX achieved in just a few years, I honestly don’t see how they can release something on the market with such results… (I wish they could though!)
Given that we focus on stem cell techniques, I thought all of you would be interested by this: in UK, they use stem cell treatment to enlarge breasts. They are about to release it in UK, and it’s already available in Japan on a large scale. Here is the article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....993187.ece
Our ideal future: have stem cell grown hair, and live with a stem cell busty girl
“… in the UK, they use stem cell treatment to enlarge breasts.”
^^ They’re using stem cells to enlarge breasts?!
Hmmm…. I wonder what else I’d enlarge, if I had the chance…
“Our ideal future: have stem cell grown hair, and live with a stem cell busty girl.”
…. whilst being hung like a donkey, hehe!
The date of the report WAS on the site!
He is right–that it was publicized.
Companies usually put out their end of year reports in the first quarter of the following year, so it’s not surprising that they put a report out in March. They did that last year too. This was posted on March 16th. Lots of people spectulated that this was when the phase 2 results would be reported as well.
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-l.....49930.html
You’ll notice this was reported (3/16) before DD reported it on 3/20.
“You’ll notice this was reported (3/16) before DD reported it on 3/20.”
Are you suggesting that dd may have been telling porkies about knowing an Intercytex insider?
I only knew about the report after visiting the intercyetx website on 20th march
What i am saying is that even DD admits he didn’t get that information from his “insider.”
Quote from the site:
Intercytex is exploring partnering opportunities to continue the next clinical phase of development of ICX-TRC.
Quote from the FAQ:
1. When will ICX-TRC be on the market?
ICX-TRC is classified as a medicine by the regulatory authorities and hence has to undergo a series of clinical trials before it can be offered on the market, which will take a number of years to complete.
dd ,it’s not because you think that they will launch the product that they actually will!
it’s not very helpful to not tell the truth!
“a number of years to complete.”
“a number of YEARS to complete.”
“A NUMBER OF YEARS TO COMPLETE.”
Did I mention, it’s going to take a number of years to complete?
Yes but what number that´s the real question.
Sorry guys,it makes me sad just as you , this what i read from an other site, the guy is a patient coordinator in farjo where Intercytex is doing their TRC test, he was respondig to a guy named Spex the 26th march:
Spex,
You would not believe the number of people who actually believe it’s going to be just round the corner.I tell them it’s a very, very long corner.Anyway this was just updated on our site.
http://www.farjo.net/news.asp?.....amp;id=657
Mick
if someone so close to intercytex studies say that kind of thing well…there’s nothing more to say
I dont know the reason but i trust on dd’s goodwill.
In the kingdom of blind people…
“In the kingdom of blind people…”
one eyed man is the king…;)
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